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Harmony · Feb 18, 2006, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by DABhand

But then you can say the same for all professions..

Probably one of the best summations on the whole problem

Unfortunately, for a vast number of people, unless it is 'your' profession then of course, all the others MUST be noobs

What constantly amazes me about games, in general, is the ability they have to turn ordinarily mature, well-mannered people into a whining two-year old who has lost his favorite toy. Playing both a wammo and a monk, I have had my share of name-calling, which I tend to ignore. If someone has to resort to calling names over a character in a GAME, then I assume they either:

1. Are about 10 (no offense to 10 year olds)
2. SHOULD be 10 because that is their IQ
3. Have serious issues because they get so worked up over a game

And ya know what?! "noob"=new person IMHO. Then, hate to break it to all the name callers, but at one time, we were ALL noobs

Papi Chulo · Feb 18, 2006, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by audioaxes

lol actually bringing your platemail armor in pvp IS a sign of a noob

Bringing Platemail armor is a sign of being a noob? thats kinda stupid as maybe thats the only armor i have? what a stupid commet.....
Another thing is that I have more then 1 secondary class as I have a bunch skills for all them for all u who think I play as only a W/Mo. My favorite secondary is W/R because of the speed and skill they got but I use diffrent ones for different areas. W/Mo for PvE (sometimes), W/R PvP and i can go on and on. But the thing is most people love calling wars in general dumb and noobs and i guess it just makes me angry to hear that because not all of us are. Just because some stupid wars that dont know how to play the game give us all a bad name doesnt mean we all are stupid. The only main reason i made a war was for finiacial purposes because of the solo farming and i didnt know they always got blamed for being dumb lol just something that annoys me.

The Real Roy Keane · Feb 18, 2006, 08:51 PM // 20:51

Most new players will chose a Warrior as their first char (he has the highest armour AND does the most damage? Pwnzor11);most new players are reasonably incompetent,and so a realatively high percentage of warriors are incompetent.
Also,for reasons as of yet unknown to me, there's a great deal of warrior hate in the game-why else would you see so many necros and mesmers with skillbars full to the brim of anti-melee hexes. Only the other night I had a Ne/Me Enfeeble,SS,Empathy,Insiduos Parasite,Price of Failure,Spirit of Failure and Clumsiness on me..talk about overkill. After the fight, which we lost ,he rubbed salt into my hex filled wounds by proclaiming that 'w0rRioR n00bS craCk mE uP r0lf!!' I decided to be the bigger man and neglected to tell him that he wouldn't be a p00ning machine with Migraine,Conundrum and Dazed on his one trick self..
And for those of you who seem to think that it's an easy class to use play, just go a round or two against IWAY as a war,with spirit hunting being your main role. Just make sure you have stress ball close at hand..

Dzan · Feb 18, 2006, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Papi Chulo

Now, I know i dont look like a noob with 15k dyed black plate armor

If I saw that armor setup, I would assume you were a noob, too.

MinaDrakul · Feb 18, 2006, 08:55 PM // 20:55

I also have a wammo. I actually try to do all that I can to help the monks( I have also played one of those) and try not to rush. If my group has a hard time with a mission, I'll ask what I could do to fix it. I take constructive critism from people that I respect. I won't claim to be the best but at least I try not to have "wammo fever". I also agree with Harmony about namecalling. As for the easiest class to play, I would honestly say an elementalist. High energy, easy spells to cast, etc. But that's my honest opinion.

Papi Chulo · Feb 18, 2006, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Dzan

If I saw that armor setup, I would assume you were a noob, too.

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU? to all u stupid guys who think that wearing plate armor just for pvp is noob this is very stupid. Maybe thats my only armor i got?!?!?!?!?! its kind of stupid just because u wear a type of armor ur a noob now? wow now u know how people are either jealous or just plain stupid.

Juicey Shake · Feb 18, 2006, 09:03 PM // 21:03

And now we know how people over-react to other people wearing yucky armor setups.

Tainek · Feb 18, 2006, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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Originally Posted by Papi Chulo

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU? to all u stupid guys who think that wearing plate armor just for pvp is noob this is very stupid. Maybe thats my only armor i got?!?!?!?!?! its kind of stupid just because u wear a type of armor ur a noob now? wow now u know how people are either jealous or just plain stupid.

The reason its considered "noob" (eugh, hate the word) is because it is so inferior in PVP, the energy bonus from gladiator armour is too significant to ignore (and there really is NO reason to use anything else, barring a single peice of knights/ascalon)

if you deliberatly wear a peice of inferior equipment, you will have the label, regardless if you know its inferior or not ( and if you dont know this, then you are (prehaps not as harsh as noob, but still, green and fresh)

shevaa · Feb 18, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by Caldec

i myself created warrior as my first character i love the warrior profession i made a warrior/elementalist i lived it i can have any second profession but W/Mo IMO is garbage only good for solo griffion in UW i use my W/E and i have had many compliments of how good a warrior i am people often refer to W/Mo as noobs because it is the mostly widley used warrior class id like 2 see a W/Mo 3 man UW like i can with my W/E solo tank

sorry a litte bragging in there but i have never been called a noob

My husband is a very good war/mo (though lately he has been playing with other secondaries as well) he has never been called a noob either...you said you would like to see a w/mo 3 man uw as solo tank...here you go

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btw with that team we can clear the town the smites start the restore the monuments quest Wrathful Spirits, Escort of Souls, and we can usually make it most the way up the hill through the bohemeths (last time we tried we all got tired and decided to just call it quits for the night and havent tried since)

Thom · Feb 18, 2006, 09:15 PM // 21:15

Playing warrior well is difficult and playing warrior poorly is very, very easy. Warriors, especially W/Mo are good at playing independently, which means they can stay and eventually kill things outside of a group. This can be done very well IF you are a very good player; I had a flag runner that slipped in and took out two bodyguards. For the most part top warriors are best suited for running adren spike and pressure damage. This requires organization and battle awareness which most warriors have yet to develop. The difference between good IWAY and bad IWAY is the simple stuff like knowing who and where to attack given your trappers and necros postion. Also consider WMs game winning body block the other day...it was money and excellent battle awareness. Since you are fighting in melee range and you are chasing targets, knowing where you are with respect to others is much more important.

Due to energy concerns and weapon dependency, most "creative" warrior skill bars are really bad. Most of the time you want 12 points in your weapon. That gives you significant points in one other attribute then you dump in strength. I've seen most everything put in that second attribute slot, but the only three things that have made much sense is earth, air and beastmastery. I'm not asking for everyone to justify their pet builds (please don't), just trying to convey why warriors get the noob label. It is difficult to build a warrior as anything other than a cookie cutter build, which anyone could find on observer mode. Cookie cutter guy will get more PvP attention.

Most every build and team needs warriors simply to absorb some damage and put out consistant damage. Warriors create a "presence" as Charles put it. I argue that warriors are hard to play well, meaning that most of us end up playing with (or playing as) warriors who make mistakes. Since a bad warrior has no battlefield awareness, he has no idea that he just blundered and then makes "noob" remarks. Unlike Mr. Shrink above, I believe that most "narrow-minded stereotyping" is based largely on generalizations which are wholely correct, but not easily justifiable. Basically, most people think warriors are noobs because most of them make mistakes and have little battle awareness (in other words, they are noobs).

Papi Chulo · Feb 18, 2006, 09:16 PM // 21:16

well thx i guess lol i guess i will be buying some glads armor as well even though im not a eng consuming war but more of a adreline one.

Retribution X · Feb 18, 2006, 09:21 PM // 21:21

you usually arn't considered a noob if you use ANY 15k set.

Thom · Feb 18, 2006, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by Papi Chulo

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU? to all u stupid guys who think that wearing plate armor just for pvp is noob this is very stupid. Maybe thats my only armor i got?!?!?!?!?! its kind of stupid just because u wear a type of armor ur a noob now? wow now u know how people are either jealous or just plain stupid.

Quick double post:
15k Plate armor shouts "I'm a PvEer". It isn't very good armor. You can get a set of pvp ready armor for less than one piece of 15k. You want the anti hex helm (with you if not on you), glad everything, knights boots, stoneskin gloves. That is the pvp standard...gives you the most strategic benefits. I also don't know if you have all the proper runes since it is more likely for a pvp character to have all the necessary sups (3 in the case of a warrior). Ditto which the proper weapon, rare does not mean useful.

If you knew much about PvP you would already have this stuff for PvPing. As it is you are wearing pretty PvE plate with expensive coloring. Looking at your armor I automatically know that you spend the majority of your time PvEing, and that you may be a liablity (even if you had a bambi).

I don't know of a warrior build that doesn't have energy management issues. Also, defense is overrated in PvP since you have monks and no one attacks warriors (unless they are way out of position).

LifeInfusion · Feb 18, 2006, 09:26 PM // 21:26

simply because
A. it is the only class you don't need skills for any can still go out and kill stuff just with your weapon.
B. Most of the time people start the game with the class
C. Everybody and their mother SEEMS to have a W/Mo with the same dam builds
D. Many Warriors just use attacks/stances and NOTHING else.
E. Gladiator armor looks horrible but has the "best" stats.
F. It is the only melee class.

Age · Feb 18, 2006, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by vinegrower

I'm guilty of lableing Wa/Mos as "noobs", mainly because if someone is going to herass me, it is always a wamo. Also, every bad warrior that I have ever head in a group is a Wa/mo, you know the ones that you tell to go agro a group, and they instead pull the group into the casters. Now I have had some good wamos, but the vast majority of my experience with them has been bad. Now if a warrior has a differend secondary, that will get my attention. If you watch the GWWC matches, there is almost no wamos, and they are hella good. (especially Im a Paladin, who ironically is not a paladin)

Is this unfair to lable them that way? Probably, but when you get burned soo many times, what else are you to do.

I saw that on I am a Paladin and I would imagine he is becuase it was a PvE char he was playing.He just went out and switched his secoundary to /E.I play W/Mo although it wasn't my first char. my Monk was and I know how castors feel usually when I play Warrior or even with my Ranger I look at health bars.When I did the RoF mission I got a compliment on my build as we only used henchy monks and I took 2 resess with me as they kept dieing in lava.Back in beta my first char was a War. didn't play it that much when I started to play Monk especially in HoH.I know what the OP is getting at give it time player will realize how the value a War. can be.

Grimm · Feb 18, 2006, 10:13 PM // 22:13

There are noobs of many professions, but from my experience, most seem to be Warriors, specifically W/Mos.

This is particularly true in PvP, as most W/Mos are PvE "tanks" who try to "duel" other W/Mos with their fiery dragon swords and are basically useless to their team, because while they're usually the last one alive, being a damage sponge in PvP is not useful, since a smart opponent will just change targets.

Markaedw · Feb 18, 2006, 10:25 PM // 22:25

I think the biggest reason wammos get a bad rep, is that the learning curve for them is more gradual. Mesmers, monks elementalists and necros can't even make it out of pre if they haven't managed to learn energy management and agro, a few deaths and you start pay attention.

A warrior on the other hand can survive most pre monsters, no matter how many they agro. Add a post sear droks run, and they have such high armor in the lower areas that they never have to worry about damage control, then they get to the advanced regions and then they have to concern them selves with damage control and then they have no clue how to protect themselves. They have learned from the lower areas that their high armor means that they can agro everything and live to tell the tale. Now when they play that way, the monsters hit harder than there armor can withstand, they die and now we have to deal with what is left over. Personally for the good of the game and warriors the Snakedance pass needs to be sealed.

Of course this does not apply to the ones that want to do a good job.

lyra_song · Feb 18, 2006, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by Markaedw

I think the biggest reason wammos get a bad rep, is that the learning curve for them is more gradual. Mesmers, monks elementalists and necros can't even make it out of pre if they haven't managed to learn energy management and agro, a few deaths and you start pay attention.

A warrior on the other hand can survive most pre monsters, no matter how many they agro. Add a post sear droks run, and they have such high armor in the lower areas that they never have to worry about damage control, then they get to the advanced regions and then they have to concern them selves with damage control and then they have no clue how to protect themselves. They have learned from the lower areas that their high armor means that they can agro everything and live to tell the tale. Now when they play that way, the monsters hit harder than there armor can withstand, they die and now we have to deal with what is left over. Personally for the good of the game and warriors the Snakedance pass needs to be sealed.

Of course this does not apply to the ones that want to do a good job.

This is quite true.

Look at the warrior skill trainers in relation to their location vs other skill trainers. War Master Grast is RIGHT THERE outside of ascalon. All the other professions have to trek for quite a bit to get their skills.

fiery · Feb 18, 2006, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Now, I know i dont look like a noob with 15k dyed black plate armor and some rare weapons but as soon as he/she saw me he/she left. Now I'm just wondering whether everyone feels like that or if its justcertain people.

Well of course you dont look like a noob. You look like a farmer. The cost of your armor is not the experince of skill. Wammos or Warrior/Monks gets the most heat for being "noobs".

W/M-whammo
W/R-rambo
W/E -gale

etc. and so on.

Papi Chulo · Feb 18, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

[QUOTE=fiery]Well of course you dont look like a noob. You look like a farmer.

lol i guess ur right about that.